Sexual desires, of course, will take whatever fuel you give them, but I’d rather have my sons be twisted in knots by a pair of pretty eyes than any other attributes that a lady may possess in pairs.
“So we are to be treated to more and more modesty? Indeed Arthur if I could get a little of your diffidence, and you a little of my conceit we should both be very fine fellows.”
CS Lewis, 11 July 1916
I just came across this post by Chris Goforth, about how he’s “pushed away” by a certain kind of Christianity, “mostly people who practice religion and call it Christianity.” It was a little bit surreal for me, because he sounds like he’s mad at me. He lashes out at some things that are wrong, kind of obviously wrong, but also quite a bit like the things that I actually believe, like a bad caricature. Except that bit about trying to get people to say the sinner’s prayer. That’s just dumb.
- I believe that if someone isn’t saved, they are wicked, and going to hell. I don’t believe that every unsaved person is necessarily grossly immoral, in a noticeably public way, but I also doubt that they are living up to their own standards, let alone God’s. I believe they think they can justify themselves. I believe that if a person is saved, they are probably still wicked, but that their disposition toward God has changed, and that He doesn’t count their sins against them. They probably aren’t living up to even their own standards, but by the grace of God, their standards are being corrected, and they are seeing long-term improvement.
- I believe that men have a responsibility to lead in a way that women don’t have, particularly in regards to marriage and church government. I believe that churches should have government. I don’t understand 1 Timothy 2:12 very well, but it’s in my Bible and I want to obey God’s word.
- I believe that homeschooling is a pretty good idea, and that every parent should take responsibility for their child’s education, no matter where they go to school. I think that public schools are a good option for people who can’t afford other options, but that there’s a danger that the school will waste their child’s time, and teach values that might undermine Christian faith.
- I believe that girls should dress modestly, but that no level of modesty can constrain another person’s heart, particularly in a world as saturated as we are with pornography. I can’t imagine boys today being “comfortable in their bodies” enough to wear some of the things that they sell to 10 year old girls.
- I believe that it’s important to watch what media comes into your home for a myriad of reasons. There are some pretty insulting songs and TV shows out there, and we have a responsibility to think on things that are worthy, true, etc.
- I believe that I can’t save anyone, not even my children. I don’t think that people are my personal salvation projects, but I do believe that God has selected a number from every people group in the world to be drawn to him, and that they only means he’s established to do that is other people who believe the good news of Jesus Christ.
- I believe that, in regards to my children, I have two distinct,but related duties: to civilize them and to evangelize them. Sometimes people want to keep one and drop the other, but really, nobody wants their children to run around dirty, hunting their food with their bare hands, and nobody wants their children to go to hell. The gospel gradually results civilization, but civilization doesn’t result in evangelism. Making up new rules is the stuff of civilization. Honestly, those rules can be helpful, unless they aren’t.
- I believe that clip at the end of his post is pretty darn funny.
Like I said – these are not the convictions that Chris Goforth has a problem with. At least, I don’t think they are. But they’re pretty close. And that makes me want to ask a lot of questions.
- Which is more common, my convictions, or the caricature?
- Can anyone tell the difference?
- Was he taught the caricature from the pulpit, or was it just something he picked up off the street?
- If he hears someone spouting a foolish bit of pharisaism, does he rebuff them, or cringe and turn away?
- Is Mr. Goforth a member of a church? What does his church leadership teach about these issues?
- Would his church leadership be quick to correct the caricatures from the pulpit?
- Do they set themselves up as something new and fresh and different, compared to people with my convictions?
- Does anybody dialogue in the church anymore? Or do we just should past each other while making church signs?
Generally, I’ve stayed away from women’s blogs, because it’s not an arena that I feel approved to speak on. I was going to say competent, but really, I’m more concerned about offending people with my Y chromosome. But the current wave in Christian weblogging seems to be all about women. At least, I haven’t seen anything new in pastor’s blogs something like a year.
I think it’s a very helpful intro, both on how to think about modesty, and how to approach the issue with someone else. Unfortunately, too many people think they’re already, erm, covered, in this area.
What’s awkward for me is how to approach immodesty in a young lady as a married man. Somehow, while in most conservative Christian circles it’s considered inappropriate to wear clothes that are too revealing, it’s even more inappropriate for a man to make mention of what’s being advertised.
For a while I worked in a warehouse environment as a manager with a mostly all-female staff. For a week or so, we had a volunteer come who wasn’t used to thinking about what she was showing off while lifting heavy objects. In that situation, I was able to grab one of my team leaders and ask her to say something to her. A 40 year old woman can talk to a 20 year old woman about modesty a lot better than a 30 year old man.
In a church, though, where I’m not in any official position, it’s not as easy to use those degrees of separation. But accidental immodesty still happens. Is my only good response supposed to be to keep my eyes up and my mouth shut?